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following up

first...i apologize for the use of abbreviations...btw (by the way) it's a habit...

so, cctv=closed circuit TV - it's what we'll have installed in all the nursery/preschool rooms, as well as check in and on the playground. to bring larry and the rest of you up to date...it's a process (tech speak for it's not working exactly as it should - it's working exactly as it shouldn't...figure it out)

to follow up on another post from a long time ago...i posted almost a month and a half ago about a church that's meeting in a bar (since that time, i've found out about others that are doing the same...) - you can read the post and find the article here...here are my follow up thoughts and thanks to the couple of people that responded...great interaction and comments!...my thoughts...
first, the article doesn't give us enough information to really be able to understand the vision of the church or the heartbeat of the pastor for lost people - so, we don't have enough to go on at this point which is too bad...

let me say this...i have no problems with what this pastor and his leaders are doing as far as reaching those people that don't know Christ or perhaps have a previous relationship with Him. the only thing i have an issue with is the communion element that is in the service...my issue is that is such a sacred and thoroughly Christian event that for someone that don't know Christ, it could be misunderstood - or, it could be a stumbling block for someone.

that said, i do agree that it's a shame that bar-owner sees this as a way of drawing business...but what can we expect - he's a businessman, not a believer (at least that's not indicated, we don't know).

so, let me wrap up by stating why i have no problem with this - this pastor is going where the people are; it does not appear that he's inviting his local church to come "party" and listen to a sermon, it appears, he's going where the party is, and bringing the sermon to those that need it. while it's true that Jesus did spend time in the synagogue and temple, its also true that he spent his time in the marketplace of the common man, at the well (hmmm, wonder if the woman at the well is the type of person that would go to a bar today? - just a thought...), he spent his time at the shore and in the countryside...in short, Jesus went where the people were.

finally, vince had a couple of posts on his blog awhile back on this...i don't normally copy text straight from another's site, but this is such a cool story - here it is...

Tonight is our service in the bar (and we wouldn't mind your prayers). Yesterday I heard about something I had somehow missed.

There's a bartender/waitress at this pub where we're meeting who is very pregnant. She used to be a stripper. (Let me make it clear that I have this information second-hand. I have seen her wait on tables, but I have never seen her strip.) Apparently there's not much call for pregnant strippers, so she had to find a new job, which is why she's now at the pub.

Anyway, a couple of our Forefront ladies decided to throw her a surprise baby shower. So a few weeks ago they showed up early on Tuesday night, with all kinds of presents for her! (How awesome is that?!? No offense to any one else's churches, but we have the coolest people on the planet!)

So, as you might expect, this lady is all shocked and surprised and grateful. But then she tells our girls that no one else has thrown her a baby shower! Not her stripper friends, her bar friends, no one. The only baby shower she's had is the one a few Christian women from Forefront threw her; women who had met her just a few times.
Also, he had this post that had a great last line - please, go read it!

3 comments:

Debbie C. said...

I agree with you, that we have to go to where the people are, but we don't need to "water down" the message. But, you are right, we're not sure of the whole story from just the little bit we have read. Also, a question for you - you mentioned taking communion. What do you think the scripture is talking about in relation to taking the Lord's supper "unworthily"? Just wondering your thoughts. Could this fit into that category?

rick said...

debbie, that's what i believe...but when you evaluate all of what paul says there in 1 cor., it seems to me that he's really rebuking the corinthians for several things: the drunkenness, the over-indulgence, the fact that they totally disregard the poor, the self-indulgence...i think paul's key word is the word after 'unworthily' and that word is 'manner' - the question paul is asking is what 'manner' are you participating in the Lord's Supper?
good comments and thanks for the feedback

Rachel said...

I'm can finally sleep at night now that I FINALLY know what CCTV is. Of course it's a process.... everything is a process in Rick world....